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details from usama bin laden's journal, bin laden obsessed with hitting the u.s. again, pressing al-qaeda to attack smaller american cities. his written goal reportedly to kill as many americans as possible in a single attack on the scale of 9/11. now, he might have been in hiding all these years but he was still deeply involved with al-qaeda. that's what we're hearing from washington. more on this in a matter of moments inside "america's newsroom". first, though, there is breaking news on the number one issue facing the u.s. today, that is jobs, the number of americans filing for first time benefits, 434,000, that is a drop from a week ago, but still, got to go into those numbers to figure out where the story is and we shall now. good morning, i'm bill hemmer. welcome to "america's newsroom". how you doing heather? >> i'm in for martha maccallum. that number may have dropped but it doesn't mean our economy is getting any better. bill: unfortunately for the
millions looking for jobs out there. stu varney, first on the number, what does it say? >> disappointing. four hundred thirty-four thousand people filing first time claims in one week alone. any time you've got more than 400,000 looking for unemployment benefits, that's a bad sign for the job markets. and we now have 3,750,000 people who are getting unemployment benefits. dig into the numbers just a little bit, and you'll see that private enterprise is hiring a little. not terribly strong. the big layoffs are coming at the state level, state government workers are being laid off. bill: why would that be at the state level? why are government jobs being -- >> the states are broke. up and down the land, states face huge decifits which they must close and the way to do it is layoffs. you're going to see a summer in which you have an avalanche of layoffs at the state level. it's going to be hundreds of thousands of people. bill: wow, that is remarkable, too.
listen, 434,000, the number today, but ring the associated press, they say the number has to be around 375,000 in order to get consistent job gains? but i mean, the way we've been talking the past two or three years, we had to go well below that number, right? >> yes. bill: what is the magic number stuart? >> the magic number bounces around all over the place. quite frankly, bill, if you want a robust economy where you bring down the unemployment rate rapidly, and i mean bring it down, from 9 percent, all the way down to say 6 1/2%, you've got to have under, way under, 300,000 jobless benefit claims per week. and i mean way under that. bill: it's -- >> not even close. bill: it's been some time since we've been there. catch you on fbn, thank you stuart. log on to foxnews.com/"america's newsroom", online right now, we ask this question: how long do you think before unemployment returns to normal, prerecession levels? is it three months? is it a year? is it three years? is it five years or more?
>> four options for you, right now online in our poll. we'll have the results a bit later in our program here. see what our folks think at home about this. >> another story this morning, president obama weighing in a town hall battle over the rising decifit. during this event this morning he was asked what he would do if republicans refuse to agree to tax hikes. here's what he had to say. >> what we're going to end up having to do, probably, is to set some targets and say, you know, those targets have to be hit, if not automatically, some cuts and tax increases start taking place, and that will give incentive for us to negotiate. this is going to be a values question for the american people over the next several years. i know mine answer, and i'm going to be interested in having a vigorous debate with the republicans about this issue. >> a debate coming coming up later today, the so-called gang of seven will take on the ballooning decifit. first, one of those members, democratic congressman chris
van hollen will join us. it is getting scary. that's from one mississippi homeowner who says she can't even get near her house to see how bad the damage is. and as those flood waters head downriver to louisiana, locals there are waiting to hear whether the army corps of engineers will open up one of the spillways there. this one is known as the morganza spillway and it could help the floods hurling towards baton rouge but it would flood thousands of rich acres of farmland and possibly some towns. >> there's a lot that's going to be destroyed. i think a lot willer saistled hopefully but we don't know until we do it and we'll never know until we do it. i hope for the best. >> it's a tragedy. everything in the spillway will drown, it will die, it can't get out, there's no warning, you know, so it's just horrific. it truly is. it's a tsunami that moved through the spillway and it takes everything with it.
>> when there's a lot of water, makes everybody nervous. >> if it opens here, the other side gets the water. it's just a decision that's going to have to be made, and you -- and i just hope everybody is okay. >> kris gutierrez, joining us live from stevensville, what are they doing to prepare there? >> reporter: heather, they are doing a lot. everyone in this low lying community should have received one of these warnings from officials, encouraging people to prepare now because they know the water is coming. one of the major ways they're preparing is using sandbags like you see here. people are lining up early this morning to get their hands on this precious sand. they were here until 8:30 last night, they opened at 7:00 this morning, all hands are on deck, inmates from the county jail, actually out here helping out, because they realized people need this sand to protect their property, to protect their homes. >> kris, talk to us about the area that was hit hard back in 1973. how are folks comparing this situation to that situation back then? >> reporter: you know, we
should point out that the morganza spillway hasn't been opened since 1973 and when they did open it, this community flooded. take a look, a local home homeowner shared these pictures. the water in this picture is about ankle deep and another picture, you can actually see that residents are piled up, wearing waders on the front end bucket of that loader. people realized how bad it was in 1973 and they're thinking it will be even worse this go-round. watch this: >> most homes in this area are already lined with these sandbags. mac here remembers the last time the morganza spillway was open. how did that impact your home in 1973 and what do you expect this time? >> the highest it came is right where the sandbags were at and it came to a stop. luckily, everything worked out okay. >> but this time? >> this time, what i hear about up there in missouri and tennessee and all that, we don't have no idea.
>> reporter: right now, we're given a time frame, sometime between saturday, this saturday, and next tuesday, that morganza spillway will most likely be open. when it does all of that flood water will flow on the opposite side of that levy there and dump out into the gulf of mexico. the concern is in this low lie be community of stephensville and morgan city, that water will slowly backwash in this direction and flood out these communities. heather, back to you. >> reporter: thank you very much, hoping for the best down there. bill. bill: heather, in the meantime, further up river on the mississippi, the flooding my have wiped one community off entirely -- off the map entirely, tunica losing all 300 homes from the flooding, many of the low income residents have no flood insurance and now they're worried they may not have the money to rebuild homes according to the flood plains standards. look at that. we'll take you live to tunica in a moment. up river in memphis, this image came out in april of last year and they contrast this image with what they're
going through in memphis, tennessee. from a year ago, here is mud island in the upper righthand corner, this is west memphis, that's critical for a reason i'll get to in just a moment. because you can see all this area here that is farmland, that's marked and it's beautiful and it looks like a stunning summer day from this aerial in memphis. now look at what they're dealing with today as we put it into the image that was fed to us yesterday. this entire area now, almost three times the size that it was before, and all this area of west memphis has been -- i mean, this is where the mississippi river gets its name the big muddy, because it is dark, it is like chocolate, not only up here but in the bottom righthand corner again. we'll go to the before picture to show you the contrast of what we're seeing here, how clear and beautiful it is in these parts of the city, and now, today, how inundated they are with flood waters that have just come throughout the entire area. it is remarkable to watch in
these satellite photos. on the ground tells you one story and this tells you another one. and some of the photographs we're seeing, stunning. look at this, water surrounding the isle of capri in mississippi, the governor, haley barbour, urging people to get out if they think there's even a chance their home will flood. he says there's no reason to believe that a levy would fail but if it did, 107 feet of water would flow over small towns. 107 feet. we'd like to see your pictures. don't put yourself in trouble out there. but if you've got them, want to share them with our viewers, you report at foxnews.com, need your name and location and maybe a brief description of what we're looking at and we'll try and get those images on screen throughout the day today. stay safe out there and so many folks, heather, they need help right now. >> there are issues to tell you about going on in iowa today, a possible twister touching down in the town of lennox, iowa, the national weather service sending a team there to investigate that. take a look at this damage.
debrie everywhere, trees destroyed, windows shattered, roofs completely gone. locals say they could not believe their eyes. >> this is like a movie. it's like something you see in a movie. it's not even real life. it's so unbelievable. >> there were two funnels, two sets of debris, one right behind the other. wasn't sure if i should be inside or outside. >> things flying by. i'm telling you, it was like a movie. things flying by. from blocks and blocks and blocks away. roofs, coming by. they're gone. we no longer have a park. the whole west side of town is destroyed. lenox is destroyed. the whole side of town. >> we're so lucky, really. really, really lucky. >> i'm just in awe, i can't believe my eye, i'm telling gliew i've never seen anything like it and i hope i never see it again. >> wow, well, no reports of serious injury -- injuries but we'll keep you posted. bill: that's that part of
the country where they get so many storms. may is the peak season. we see so many in april but we peak out in may and we got a couple of weeks left now. some incredible of a lightning bolt, streaking through the sky and hitting an airplane. looks scary all right but is it the real deal, we wonder? we'll tell you. >> wow, okay. well, he signed it into law when governor of the state of massachusetts and it became somewhat of a model for president obama's health care law. but now mitt romney, set to make a major speech today on why he would repeal it, and what it might mean for the romney campaign. that's coming up. bill: also, $14.3 trillion counting, and how do we get this massive number under control? there is a big meeting set to get underway on the hill, a group of bipartisan lawmakers, they'll talk about the decifit. what will they agree to? >> it is trillions, not billions, that we are talking about. and it's pretty obvious why we're saying that. we've got a $1.6 trillion decifit this year alone. anything less is not serious.
>> evangelist billy graham is in a north carolina hospital today, being treated for pneumonia. we understand the 92-year-old is getting antibiotics and is listed in stable condition. graham, of course, meant so much -- has meant so much to so many people around the world, this from a family friend and his grandson: >> the worldors and mourn -- respects him more than any other evangelist or speaker or politician. >> he is in good health and good spirits but certainly for someone 92 years of age with all the health concerns he had and all the mileage, all the years on him, i would say he's doing pretty well and we're just keeping an eye on him. >> we can expect another update from the hospital later today. so far it's not clear when he will be released. bill: we give him our prayers do today, won't we heather? >> he hills his pages about people he hated, mostly americans. officials revealing new and
disturbing passages from usama bin laden's personal journal. we also know that he had constant contact with his al-qaeda operatives around the world. retired u.s. army general major spider marks. good morning, spider. what was in his die snre. >> it's anybody's guess other than the intelligence community who are looking at it in great detail. but i would tell you that usama bin laden, his head was in the game probably all along, it's very clear to assume. but what that means is he was providing strategic direction, motivation, i'm alive, i'm well, i'm still here for you. but the thing about this brand of terrorism and what al-qaeda has been able to achieve is you have local metastisis, local elements within al-qaeda that make decisions at their level in terms of operational planning, levels of detail, and when they think they're ready to execute different operations, they pull the trigger. >> the other thing that's funny here, he was well aware of the impact of september 11th. >> oh sure.
bill: he was looking for more. in fact he wrote, apparently, according to these reports we're getting out of washington, that he wanted another attack on america, on perhaps a smaller city outside of new york, and he wanted a high body count. >> absolutely. we should not be surprised by that at awvment look what happened in london, look what happened in madrid. those are significant -- in bali, those are significant events. when it happens on our soil, our territory, it's exceptionally personal and he knew that, he knew he was going to poke a stick into the eye of the united states and he wanted to do that again. so his simply being alive, despite the images of him with the blanket, watching himself and critiquing his own work, that was the essence of his message, was how is he coming across to those that will see him within this network, very loosely structured. bill: he mentioned los angeles and we're small cities. i think the words as they've been translated was spread out the targets according to his writings. the other thing he talked about, or what we're learning, anyway, was he
never left the compound. >> correct. bill: six years. seldom went outside. >> he was obviously -- >> bill: what does that mean? >> exceptionally disciplined. this guy has been a jihad his entire life, he understood to venture outside that compound, he would have been identified very, very quickly. so there's a level of discipline, there's a level of focus. i mean, you have to admire him from those -- him from those characteristics. obviously he's a demon and he's now in the ocean and that's fine, and that's where he should be, but this level of focus that he was able to put on his endeavor, it's phenomenal. bill: spider, thank you. >> thank you. bill: there is more to learn and more to come, unfortunately, in a lot of different ways, and we'll wait to see what we learn then. good to see you. >> thank you. bill: heather, what's next. >> breaking news on a possible terror bust here in new york city, two men now in custody. we'll tell you what they're accused of planning. brand new details in a minute. bill: he's a member of the gang of seven, congressman
chris van hollen trying to tackle that huge decifit. is there anything coming out of these meetings? we'll find out when we ask him, in a matter of moments. >> we believe that the structure of the fiscal state of the country is in a bad state, and the realness has to be real results, big results, now.
bill: got some breaking news on the campaign trail. if you thought it was going to get nasty eventually, well, apparently it has gotten a bit nasty now. this is new york district 26. you're going to see the tea party candidate jack davis. he was being approached by what we believe is a volunteer for the republican party. as a result, you get this. roll it and watch: >> jack, why did you back out of the debate?
>> you want punched now? >> why? why did you -- >> sir! why did you back out of the debate? yth you back out of the debate? -- why did you back out of the debate? >> why did you back out of the debate? >> bill: it's not entirely clear based on that what exactly happened and why, but davis' camp is saying he never punched that volunteer and, quote, pushed the camera out of his face. at one point you heard davis say do you want to get punched out. this is greece, new york. the congressional district number 26. and we just got that in, want to share that with you. reaching out to davis' camp, but also the photographer behind that lens, and when we get in contact with both, we'll bring you their side of the story. in the meantime, here's heather. >> a big showdown over oil and gas prices on capitol hill, lawmakers set to grill those oil executives on the tax breaks that their industry gets, pushed by rising gas prices, right now, an average of 3.98 a gallon. democratic lawmakers ramping
up calls to end taxpayer subsidies. they say that oil and gas companies simply do not need. let's talk to doug mckelway live in washington. good morning, doug. what are the chances of this legislation passing and what are we expecting to happen on this other side today? >> well, the chances of this legislation, which would cut $21 billion in oil subsidies to the -- and tax subsidies to the oil companies, the chances of pass arnlings basically slim and none. at least that's the view of most complains. now, we saw this happen once before, the last time that oil prices spiked towards $4 a gallon back in 2007 and 2008. the democrats prod all the executive oil companies to face what republicans call an inquisition and basically nothing happened. this time around, things are getting a little more interesting because two senate democrats are basically defying their own party, they took to the senate floor yesterday, lawnd rue of louisiana and begich of alaska to lambast
the companies for the subsidies. >> we've had enough. we've had high water, high win, we now have a high river, we have a moratorium, we have a permatorium. >> unfortunately, the bureaucrats in this administration are not listening, they are totion up barriers in alaskan oil and gas production every chance they get. sadly some of my colleagues are not much better. instead of addressing the problem with specific solutions, they are going for headlines, by dragging energy company executives before committees. >> now, oil companies admit they are making record profits these days, when oil is spiking towards $4 a gallon, but they say it's not their responsibility, they're not doing it. they say it's a reflection of supply and demand and increasing thirst for oil word wide -- worldwide and because of the commodities market. they say they're not responsible. >> by the way, what do they pay in taxes? a lot of folks are asking that question. >> an interesting statement came out from exxon-mobil
earlier this week in regard to what they say in paxes. for every gallon of gasoline and other products we refine and are sold in the united states, we earn about 7 cents per gallon, that's what exxon says. compare that, they say, to the 40-60 cents per gallon that went to government, state and federal governments, that they received in taxes from every gallon of gasoline. so the difference is clear, the oil companies maintain it was state and federal government which is addicted to oil. >> that's an interesting one, maybe the government is the one making the money off of it, not the companies. doug mckelway, thank you, for watching that debate unfold. bill: more breaking news, a case we've been on for years, a cleveland auto worker, age 91, convicted today as an accessory to the murders of 28,000jews during the second world war, a german court out of munich now has just released benj
benjanyjuk pending his appeal. he was deported from the u.s. about two years ago. his is a case and a story that's gone back and forth for decades and now the appeal is underway in munich for demjanjuk. >> this is an issue that some believe could stop mitt romney from getting the presidential republican com nation -- nomination, now the massachusetts governor trying to tackle this head on. his stance on health care, straight ahead. bill: the details on the seige of the flooding in the south. look at these images. dan springer in tunica, mississippi, how is it looking there? >> reporter: believe it or not, the water is actually receding in tunica but the storm of the century just down the river has probably wiped one town completely off the map. that story and much more coming up after the break.
>> we've been watching this thing flow downstream all week long, the mississippi river crest toward moving -- moving towards the gulf of mexico, and president obama already signing a disaster declaration for 14 counties, but in and on tunica, mississippi some are wondering if they can ever recover, reports say nearly every home in that community flooded. here's one describing the scene: >> it was pretty devastating. this is these peoples' homes. >> once the water goes down,
it will take 30 days, minimum, to get the water and sewage system back online. so it's going to take a while. >> dan springer is live for nous that town, in tunica, mississippi. dan, what are you hearing about the town's future? i can't imagine what that must be, to look around and see virtually every home under water. >> reporter: well, heather, it's very bleak, because the situation in tunica cutoff is most of the home openers, there are about 200 homes there, they don't have insurance, and new laws mandate that if you have significant damage to your house, you have got to raise the -- raze the house and rebuild at a 100 year flood plain, so that's going to be impossible for the residents. they will have to end up moving somewhere else. right now i'm in the parking lot of the harrah's casino one of nine in tunica that's been shut down because of the flood and you can see how high that water is. it's almost all the way the top of that doorway. that's about 6 feet of water, flooding right into
that casino lobby. as we pan further to the left, it's kind of interesting, we note that the casino is actually floating, that blue part of the building is the casino where the gambling takes place and that is on fellowtation devices so it's actually above the water right now, spare thank casino part. so let's go to the video of the tuni counter a cutoff, it's devastating there. we saw the pictures in the lead-in, and we heard from the mayor. it is a terrible situation. that water crested 14 feet above flood stage, and so you can see the devastation. they had the boats going down there and they don't even want to take the boats everywhere in the village because they're afraid of running into the top of homes. we show you video of across the levy, on the east side of the levy is the town of tunica and there it's business as usual. obviously that's on the right side of the levy and they're not affected at all. they have people shopping and walking downtown just like it's a normal day. so it's being on the right
side of the levy means everything in this flood. heather. >> kris gutierrez, thank you very much, we'll check in with you later this morning. bill? >> bill: chris, dan, everybody doing great work for us down there, day after day. >> so heartbreaking to see this for so many families. bill: it certainly is. in washington, the water is high there, too, folks, they are the latest newcomers to the budget fight. in a matter of hours a bipartisan group will try and tackle $14 trillion in debt. the so-called gang of seven, meeting behind closed doors and among them, the vice president, joe biden, also democratic congressman chris van hollen, ranking member of the house budget committee. welcome to "america's newsroom", good morning 20 -- to you. >> good morning, bill. bill: republicans in the house, they say there's not a single republican vote in favor of a new budget, unless there are spending cuts. what are you willing to cut? >> well, we made it clear we're willing to cut quite a bit. in fact, the proposal that the president put on the table a few weeks ago has
significant cuts in domestic discretionary spending, as well as other areas. the point the president and others have made is that yes, we need to cut to help reduce our decifit but we also have to look at these tax giveaways and that's why there's been so much talk about the big taxpayer subsidies to the big oil companies. there's absolutely no justification for saying to taxpayers that you need to subsidize these guys when they're making record profits. so we need a balanced approach. bill: on that point, if you take away the oil subsidies, how is that going to balance the budget? >> well, it doesn't balance it. in order to balance it you've got to do a lot of different things. that's exactly the point. a balanced approach requires some cuts in spending, but it also requires asking others to pitch in a little bit. and there's no reason not to ask the big oil companies to pitch in. i mean, why should we be subsidizing them? so that's exactly the point, bill. we need everything to be part of this effort.
bill: let's say the oil subsidies are gone. would you also get rid of the subsidies for green energy projects in this country? >> well, i personally believe that the ethanol subsidies are not a good use of taxpayer money. so the answer to that question, personally, is yes. and you know, there's an area would i think some people agree. senator coburn, for example -- >> bill: but what about solar or wind or everything else that's being cooked up? >> well, because i think it's in our energy interest, our long terminal security interest, to overall reduce our reliance on foreign oil. now, for energy independence reasons, for job creation here at home, and so to the extent that we can provide some greater incentive -- >> bill: does that wean us off foreign oil? i'm trying to understand the logic. is that what you think? >> to the extent that you say that you want to encourage greater use of clean energy, which is
produced right here at home, 100 percent produced here at home, yes, then you're diversifying the sources of energy in the united states, and reducing that amount that is based on foreign oil. so the answer is yes. bill: okay. how far are you away from moving this ball down the field? because all the indications we're getting right now is that there is a big wall you're about to be met with. are you close to it? >> well, as with most negotiations, what we're beginning with are those areas of overlap, where there are a common -- where there are common interests. bill: give me one. >> i can't get into the details. but if you look, for example, at some of the reporting that's come out on this, and you look at both budgets, meaning the president's proposal, the house republican proposal, house democratic proposal, we all said we can get rid of some of the wasteful agricultural subsidies. and so those have been things that have been on -- >> bill: which takes you back to ethanol, too. >> actually, ethanol would
be actually on top of that. what we're talking about right now are the subsidies that are in the tradition -- traditionally in the ag bill. bill: okay. >> those have been subsidies that have been protected by members on both sides of the aisle. so that would be the kind of thing that appears in both budgets, again, without getting into the details in the room, those are things in both budgets, that we can tighten the belt. bill: chris, we have got to run, we have breaking news. appreciate you coming on. i want to continue this conversation, okay? because you've got a mountain to climb in washington, and we're waiting to figure out what's going on. >> i look forward to it bill. bill: breaking news now with heather. >> all right. let's take a live look now, the president just finished speaking at the national hispanic prayer breakfast just this morning. if you want to see some more of what happened there, you can go to foxnews.com. it's been streaming live. this is the president, who has really taken sort of a hit in the polls among latinos, a lot of them frustrated with the president that he did not
enact exomp hence -- comprehensive immigration reform, and of course, the president talking a lot about that issue this week. more on that later. in the meantime other big political news today. in a major speech today set about 2:00 p.m. eastern time former republican governor mitt romney will address his massachusetts health care law, the law that of course became the national blueprint for president obama's overhaul. kirsten powers, rich lowry, editor at national review, both are fox news contributors, good morning. so the president -- excuse me, mitt romney is expected to talk about this today. he's expected to say that states should be given waivers from omabacare, and that congress should repeal and replace the law. rich lowry, is that going to basically appease his critics thus far? >> no, and all indications are the speech is basically going to side step his major political problem, which is the fact that in massachusetts he championed health care reform that in its essential elements is exactly the same as president obama's. so he has an enormous problem here. i think the only way to deal
with it is honestly, say look, it was an experiment that failed, but he hasn't shown any indication he's willing to say that yet. >> rich, let's take a look at what some would say are failures in the state of massachusetts. we have information to put on the screen. among the highest health insurance premiums in the entire country. that's the wrong one there. we'll look at that in a moment. among the highest premiums, a lot of doctors are starting to say no, we are not going to take any more patients. this has been a real problem for him. kirsten, some republicans want him to apologize for this, some republicans want him to admit his mistakes. do you think republicans -- that would appease republicans if he were to do that? >> yeah, i think it probably would appease the republicans, but he has made it pretty clear, and i think his aides, who have been talking and previewing this speech, have made it pretty clear that's not what he's going to do, that he really believes this was good, that yes, there were things that needed to be improved in it, but that he's going to stand by it. and it reminds me a lot of hillary with the war, if you remember, everyone was
telling her she needed to apologize for the iraq war, and she just held on and held on and held on, and it really harmed her, and -- but it seems like romney has the exact same attitude about this, that he believes that it was very successful, and he's going to stand by it and he's going to make some distinctions, he's going to say this was just for massachusetts, i would never do this federally, even though he has supported federal plans to have individual mandates. but that -- and try to distinguish that somehow and then try to convince people that goes to go -- that he's going to repeal obama's health care. >> so still being stubborn about this. let's take a look at this from the "wall street journal," of course the editorial page is not known for its liberal views, certainly, "wall street journal" editorial page saying quote mr. romney is compromised and not credible, if he does not change his message he might as well try to knock off joe biden and get on the obama ticket. holy cow! rich lowry, republicans who will run against mitt romney are going to have a field
day. >> an excoriating editorical. the "wall street journal" has been on this from the beginning, it said initially this thing is going to be a disaster 57d it was correct. look, i don't think this means mitt romney can't get the republican nomination because if john mccain can win the nomination in 2008 when he blew up his campaign over the issue of immigration, anyone can win the nomination, and the advantage romney has is every other candidate has flaws as well. there's no doubt this is an albatross and the longer he sticks defending it, the worse it is for him. >> he's not 19 percent in the polls among other republicans, that according to a fox news poll. so we'll see what happens, and we'll keep an eye on this speech that's supposed to happen at 2:00 p.m. today eastern time. >> rich lowry, kirsten powers, thanks a lot, we'll talk to you again. bill: talking about myth romny, one of the biggest republican names, making it official. nut gingrich, announcing his run for the white house. in a moment, we'll talk to ed gillespie for the
bill: he says they were gruesome, oklahoma's jim inhofe, the first senator to see the death photos and he's live on capitol hill. good morning to you. you pushed leon panetta, the cia director, hard to see these. why did you want to see them? >> first of all, i think some of these should be released to the public. i felt that way and said that all along. then i made the statement, i said if you're not going to do that, while you're thinking about that, at least let the members see so they can convey back to people n. my case, the state of oklahoma, yeah, he's dead, they got him. bill: and what did you see yesterday, then? are you convinced? >> yesterday, bill --
absolutely, i saw 15 pictures. the first 12 were actually -- i guess they were taken within the first minute after the hit in the compound itself. there lying on the floor. three of the 12 pictures were old pictures of usama bin laden, for comparison pictures. it made it very easy to make that positive identification. obviously, there are two shots, one in the chest and one that was visible in the pictures, one of them going through the left eye, coming out the right ear, and so that was, of course, the gruesome one. bill: you also described these pictures as messy, too, and there were two different groups essentially of the photos, the one you described at the compound and the other aboard the u.s.s. carl synsent and you saw those pictures, also. i guess this was, for lack of a phrase, a cleaned-up version of seeing his body. now, those pictures you think the public should see. why? >> i think it's not just a cleaned-up version. there are pictures while they're cleaning him up and
there are two pictures, all cleaned up, then the picture of the actual burial. for two reasons. first of all, they're not as gruesome as the others, but the second reason is it's easier for the general public to identify who that person is, once usama is cleaned up. for that reason, if they're going to use them, that's probably the best pictures to use. bill: would you anticipate, after talking with leon panetta, that that might be a possibility? after your own experience? >> well, first of all, i appreciate the fact that after talking to him, that he did invite me to come in to see the pictures, and so i don't know whether that's a possibility or not. i can't get through -- i don't have a lot of insight into the administration. but it depends on what the public does. if the public demands it, i think it will happen. bill: just one more question here. the pictures of the compound, was it easy to identify him? or were they as gruesome as others have suggested? >> yeah, they were gruesome,
because you had a lot of internal parts of the brain and others coming out of the socket and all that, so it wasn't as easy to identify. you had to study it, look very carefully, and compare it with some of the other pictures of the past. bill: in a word, are you satisfied now? yes or no. >> yeah, he's dead, he's gone, and i'm satisfied. bill: senator, thank you for your time. we'll bring you back next week and talk to you about the issue you have with more detainees going to gitmo. we'll talk about that next week. senator, thank you. >> thank you bill. >> and possibly their families coming to visit them as well. more on that. every time he speaks, just about everyone seems to listen, we're talking about donald trump here. what he has to say about torturing terror suspects. we'll be right back.
bill: doond trump is weighing in on usama bin laden's death, talking in new hampshire again, trump saying if enhanced interrogation like water boarding leads intel officials to people like usama bin laden, he's for it, trump also talking about the economy, too. >> why are we using our smartest, greatest business people, who by the way i would put them against anybody, we have the best, i'd put them against anybody, but instead we use a diplomat, and as i've said, a diplomat. you know what a diplomat is? that's a person that studies how to be nice! [laughter] >> i don't want a nice person. [laughter] >> and that's why i may not make it in terms of getting -- i'm not that nice a person! but i'll tell you what, i'd make this country great again. that i can tell you. [applause] >> bill: also donald trump causing the u.s. raid on bin laden a, quote, great victory. that from new hampshire.
>> in the country of yemen minister bloodshed to tell you about in a troubled country where an al-qaeda splinter group is gaining power. look at this. >> >> yemeni security forces, including snipers there, opening fire on thousands of protestors in the capitol city. of course, firing on their own people. greg palkot is live for us from london, he's been following this story all along. greg, tell us a little bit about what is going on there, give us a little more color. >> reporter: yeah, heather, we've been talking to our contacts on the ground and it is bad there again today, clashes between security force and protestors in three different cities, all told yesterday, as many as 18 people dead. i'm told the activists now, after months of protest, said we had nothing to lose, they're storming government buildings, there was an affected general and his troops getting involved, all the while, yemeni president
saleh is digging in his heels and al-qaeda in the arabian peninsula in this country and a strategic interest in the united states, watching and waiting. a message from its leader yesterday, coming battles -- battles will be worse, heather. >> your boy. the united states, of course, has to be pretty nervous about this. in addition, lots of things going on in syria. so bring us the latest about what's happening there. >> reporter: bad there, too, heather. from our accounts, things are getting tense again. yesterday, 18 people killed in clashes against the protestors and army and security forces. we saw some of the biggest protests in syria, today, tanks are circling another town. the call there is for that leader, president assad, to step down and he has chosen instead to clamp down and clamp down hard. according to one insider the only thing that's going to shift things in this country is if the international community like the united states gets involved. we're beginning to hear stronger words working tr -- coming from washington. >> we'll be watching that, thank you very much.
bill: it's remarkable the protestors, still in the streets on all the cities in syria, seeing live bullets. >> they feel they have nothing to lose. bill: in a moment, breaking news on a terror plot in the u.s., there are two men in custody, details on where they are from and what police say they are planning to do. >> also flood fears growing in the south. let's take a live look at naches, mississippi, rising waters there, swallowing homes, trees, and roads. >> there's nothing you can do about nature. >> worse comes to worse, we'll be leaving. i have children to think of, you know, trying to remind myself that this is material things. i can't enjoy my own barbecue with these nasal allergies.
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merging. whole new hour, welcome back to "america's newsroom," i'm bill hemmer, martha maccallum is working later today, how are you doing, heather. martha: doing great, and the suspects are said to be, quote, homegrown, and, at least one is an american-born muslim. bill: heather childers, what are you finding out about the plot? >> reporter: fox news learned two men were arrested in new york city for allegedly making statements about possibly attacking a synagogue with a gun, careful with the wording here. the men have not yet acquired any weapons. we expect, as you said, to learn more information, and, at a news conference scheduled for 2:30 p.m. today in new york city, and, what we do know, is the name of the two men, mohammed mamdo, of moroccan descent and and, amman shihani and, he made a statement about wanting to
attack a synagogue with defense and hoped to sell drugs to make money to purchase the guns and the fbi says they are not involved in the case and the fbi has nothing to do with this and the manhattan district attorney's office is expected to prosecute under a state anti-terrorism law. bill: and, any indication, the plot is connected to the killing of bin laden? >> reporter: in fact the plot was planned before the killing of usama bin laden. it was not in retaliation for his death. and, it may have been more aspirational than operational. it all comes on the heels of a quinnipiac poll that found 24% of new york city voters are very worried about another terrorist attack here and 43% are somewhat worried. and they are more confident than ever the city is ready, and they approve 89% of the way they are handling terror and as more comes in on this, we'll let you know.
bill: thank you, heather, breaking news in our newsroom in new york. >> e-we are learning chilling details, sifting through the private journals seized from usama bin laden's compound, we are streaming live from islamabad, pakistan, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, it seems usama bin laden was reloer relentless to kill as many americans as we could, a news wire cites anonymous officials who saw his diaries and the files he kept, a hand in all of the major mroets, we have had recently. including the attacks on the european consulate and though they are not clear, yet, whether he had a hand in the christmas day bombing of 2009, which targeted an aircraft on its way to detroit, nor, the cargo plane bombings in chicago and philadelphia, yet, all the time, details are actually able to
gather from the data indicates he was a mastermind and he was plotting as much as he possibly could and, he was writing in arabic in his hand journal and some of it is vague and some bullet-point ideas and sporadic ideas and brain storming but, the files, the ones that gave more instructions, and those were handed to his courier and that is when he'd go off and distribute those to the other areas of the al qaeda network. so, for a while, the thinking is actually he was detacjhed from the organization and, now it is felt he was the evil mastermind, determined to kill americans. back to you. >> dominic, thank you so much. bill: we hear from pentagon allowing detainees at gitmo to allow family visits, unprecedented move and they have been in discussions with the pentagon about setting up a visitation program and the pentagon telling fox news, and quoting now, although the
department of defense accommodates family visits at our detention facilities in iraq and afghanistan, the department does not conduct family visits at the guantanamo bay detention facility. as a matter of policy, we do not comment on any discussions with international committees of the red cross, end quote. stay tuned for more on that. >> and it gets to the question of, who pays to fly family members there, if that happens. now, senator john mccain, a survivor of more than five years in a north vietnamese prison camp on the floor of the senate, denouncing the use of enhanced interrogation techniques by the u.s. and here is some of what he's saying, right now. >> i believe some of these practices, especially water boarding, which is a mock execution, and thus, to me, indisputably torture are and should be prohibited in a nation that is exceptional in its defense and advocacy of human rights.
>> he said he felt compelled to give the speech, after the killing of bin laden and, the debate over the harsh interrogation techniques. and, many of our military men go through the same kind of thing in training. bill: five minutes past the hour, a "fox news alert," the flooding fears are real and tension is rising fast along with the waters of the mighty mississippi. and the swollen river, inching up the levees around greenville, mississippi, and, one of the biggest cities along the river, in fact, now the governor is urging people there, to get out, while you can. because, the water is coming your way. steve harrigan is live near greenville, and, how are things this morning? >> reporter: bill, hour after hour we have seen people climb up the levee to see how bad things have gotten, and they are certainly very concerned, you can see, behind me, the area here, actually used to be a park in greenville and now is five feet deep in water and that casino is shut down and flooded, off to the right, the boat house, also, flooded. in addition, too, 100 houses are
partially under water and the people here know floods and built their houses to be safe from floods but never expected anything like this. real job losses, too, about 900 people out, between the casino job losses, as well as barge traffic, has been shut down and, the real concern, though, is this le t that are standing on, right now which looks to be 15 feet above the water level here, is it going to hold? and, hank is from the levee board and, you have a city of 45,000 people there and you are obviously worried. is the levee going to keep them safe. >> the levee is in great shape, drove the 160 miles and other than seep water, we're in great shape, the integrity is good. >> reporter: but some areas will be hit with overflow. >> the south end of the delta we have a levee designed as part of the project, to overtop and will
begin overtopping on monday and the corps of engineers has armor plated the levee and we expect no problems there and we will get water in little towns like valley park, and carrie and that is going to be happening and is expected. >> reporter: and main population centers, like greenville, according to the levee board, safe for now. back to you, in new york. bill: greenville, mississippi, steve harrigan, thanks. heather? >> we are getting an early picture of the economic impact of the floods, arkansas alone, 1 million acres under water and damages expected to top $500 million and arkansas grows a big portion of the rice we eat. >> 45 to 50% of the nation's rice, comes from arkansas. and, eastern arkansas is where it is grown, so, we have lost a big portion of the rice crop. >> i have abandoned trying to plant my rice, all the ground is flooded now. it will be too late and i have a neighbor that has $2.5 million
worth of wheat, and it is gone. >> that is just one state. others still adding up the costs and we'll have to watch what happens, to commodity prices. america's ailing economy front and center, for president obama yesterday, taking questions at a town hall and everything from gas prices, jobs, and budget cuts. mike emanuel live at the white house, good morning, what did the president say to so many americans, who are still looking for jobs? >> good morning, the president essentially calling on businesses to step up and hire americans who are looking for work, after american taxpayers obviously kicked into help save the american economy. the president talking about what it takes to hire americans, and, a lot of experts you talk to, say some of the issues are uncertainty, about the tax code and uncertainty about regulations, being put on businesses, from the federal government, and here's the president on that issue. >> president barack obama: when i talk to ceos, the issue here is not sirnt.
the issue is, they have to start placing their bets on america. and, it is time for companies to step up, and -- when we were in the middle of the recession, our whole job was to make sure the economy was still growing, and, we stabilized the financial system and we did that. and, american taxpayers contributed to that process of stabilizing the economy. >> reporter: so the president pushing american businesses to hire on gasoline prices, he says the hope is that we will see a significant drop in the gasoline prices, by summer. heather? >> mike emanuel at the white house, thanks, mike. bill: shocking photo from these guys. shocking indeed, right? i mean -- >> let really. bill: it looks like this! did that take a direct hit from a bolt of lightning at the same second the photographer took the picture. what the photographer says and what the airline says. >> house republicans have a plan to tame rising energy costs and one of the lawmakers will explain exactly how they intend to do this, coming up after the
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for a limited time at red lobster. bill: lightning never strikes twice but once was enough for a shutter bug and a jagged bolt of lightning, appears to hit the airbus 380 and the image looks like it is from 1956 and was landing at heathrow and touched down safely, a few minutes later and no scratch on the plane and no one was injured and no one on the plane knew what happened and the photographer saw storm clouds gathering and grabbed his camera and now some question
whether or not the video is real. >> it is cool. but it looks like it was taken in 1956. heather: i don't know -- >> i don't know if it is true, we gave united arab emirates a call and they say there are no reports of an incident that day. but lightning strikes are not uncommon, you can decide. it is all there for you, heather. what say you? heather: lightning striking down on capitol hill, ceos of oil companies facing off with senators, let's look here. gas prices continuing to rise and democrats are demanding the government stop giving these companies big tax breaks, but louisiana senator mary landrieu is taking on members from her own party and says, not so fast, listen to this: >> this will not reduce gasoline prices. so, why are we doing it? will it create jobs? no. it will actually hurt job production in the united states.
heather: in the meantime, in the house of representatives, lawmakers will vote on offshore drilling bills, and this is set to happen this afternoon. louisiana republican on the house action energy team and with you ill be voting on a bill to lift the moratorium on drilling today. what do you expect to happen with it? >> well, heather, we brought a package of bills to open up more areas of known reserves. we have billions of barrels of known energy reserves here in america and this administration shut them off to production and exploration and what we want to do is say, let's open up the known areas and put more supply out there to lower gas prices and create our studies showed we have an economic study that shows you create 250,000 jobs in america with the three bills we brought to increase supply of energy here in america. heather: all right, areas that you would start doing the drilling, would be off the coast of california and the gulf of mexico, and the east coast and you name it. what do you expect to happen, in the house today? do you think that it will pass?
>> i think it will pass with a bipartisan vote, because, i think if you look -- as you showed our center senator, there is a bipartisan group of members of congress that know that supply and demand is a big part of the reason we are seeing an increase in the price of gasoline at the pump and frankly it is directly related to president obama's policy, a policy obama premium people are paying at the pump because he shut off known reserves and goes to saudi arabia and brazil and other countries to pleads with them to provide us oil and we want to create it here and lower the prices at the pump. heather: the president spoke at a town hall meeting, shot yesterday an aired early this morning and he said production in the u.s. is actually up, and is that true? why are prices so high then. >> we are seeing a reduction in production, but, even more importantly, they've shut off all new exploration and we're not even bringing on-line the oil that would be out there next year and the year after because the president closed those known reserves off and, frankly, if you look, go back to his own
energy sector, president obama's energy secretary said, their goal is to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in europe and unfortunately they are getting their wish and that means higher prices, at the pump for americans. americans don't want to pay the price they pay in europe, but, unfortunately, that is the way we are headed because of the administration's policies. we want to reverse that. heather: i certainly hope not. let's get back to the legislation expected to pass today, let's say it heads over to the senate. we hear harry reid will not even bring it to the senate floor. could it end up dying there? then what? >> well, one of things we're doing on the heat team is we want to bring the heat onto the members of congress who are helping increase the price of gas at the pump. this isn't just the president, this is his lieutenants in the senate like harry reid who say they want to shut off american energy supplies and make our country dependent on foreign oil and the middle eastern countries, we are sending billions of dollars to don't like us, let's create our jobs here and lower the price of gas and put the heat on members of congress that want to shut off
american energy supply, unfortunately we have to let you go, there is breaking news and we'd have to bring it. bill? bill: this is not the kind of news we want. the state of missouri, we are getting word, officials and police are searching for a gunman. seen leaving the campus of the missouri university, of science and technology. that is south of jefferson city, southwest of st. louis. as we work through information, it's not clear how many shots have been fired. but this students have been advised to stay indoors and we cannot even confirm at this point, whether or not anyone has been shot but the emergency update at the school, that hotline there is telling students to, quote, be aware that an active shooter in mcnut hall is being locked down, end quote, what the hotline says and now, an update from the web paint at the university says the shooter has apparently left the campus. and there are updates happening, right now, the last one came over at 9:10 a.m., local time which would have been about 7
minutes ago, saying the suspect left campus. so, we're working with local police down there to try and figure out what is happening and there's a graphic image from the aerial on the map above, and, they continue to secure the buildings and stay inside and if you are not on campus, to avoid it, at the moment. so we'll gets you more information on this, to try and figure out what is happening there, in south central missouri and in the meantime, there is politics, and a heated congressional race, we got the videotape an hour ago, one candidate going face-to-face -- >> why did you -- oh! sir! bill: behind the camera, what is up with this? and what you don't see on camera. in a moment. heather? heather: plus could the post office be next in line for a taxpayer bailout? why there could be big changes with your delivery to your
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bill: back to our breaking news, we are trying to piece together what is happening in central missouri. on the campus of the missouri university of science and technology, earlier today, a gunman was spotted, in and around a dormitory, apparently or the hall called mcnutt hall and police are looking for the person. checking the web site, right now, this is what they sent out, the suspect left campus. but we don't know if this is a gunman, whether or not shots were fired or whether or not anyone has been injured or killed and, in addition on the web site, it continues by saying those on campus continue to secure buildings and stay indoors and urges everybody if you are not on campus, stay away
now and we are trying to reach out to police right now and get the information from them. but, the suspect seen leaving this building and, again, just to reiterate, no reports of shootings and, police are trying to locate the gunman and, also, we are trying to get information on the campus itself, south of jefferson city. and right out there, in the central part of the state, southwest of st. louis. and, whether or not this was a domestic matter or something more than that is something that we cannot say or confirm, but, the campus at the moment, is now in what they call emergency conditions. with me now from the school is andrew... with the police town there, is that right. >> caller: i'm the director of communications. bill: thank you for your time. what can you report? what happened? >> caller: what we have, everything is a little sketchy now but what we know is there were shots fired in an area close to the campus and we sent
out an emergency alert and as soon as we were getting ready to press the button on that we got the word the suspect was in one of our buildings and we update that alert, to notify the campus was on lockdown and for people to stay safe and we sent out emergency texts and e-mail alerts, and, the suspect has since exited the building, and, there are no injuries reported, and, the suspect left campus, but, the campus is still on lockdown and... bill: this is all very good information. can you say if this was a student? >> caller: no, i don't know. we don't know anything about the identity of the suspect at this time. bill: the building involved, i'm confused on your answer, was it on or off campus? >> caller: the building was on campus. the suspect was originally sighted off campus and shots were fired and the suspect entered one of our buildings, mcnutt hall. bill: is that for education, learning purposes? for is that a dormitory.
>> caller: a classroom and lab facility. bill: were classes underway at the time. >> caller: no, no classes are underway now, we're on the break after the semester. bill: i see, okay, any teachers around, professors inside the building? >> caller: some teachers, a few students, graduate students, in labs and so forth. as well as administrative staff. bill: how did you get this report? was it called in the by a teacher? a police officer? or what. >> caller: we received it from the university, notified us and we sent out the notification to the campus. bill: how big is your school. >> caller: 7200 students but a lot are gone now, we have close to 2,000 faculty and staff combined. bill: your campus police are working with local police, i would assume, is that right. >> caller: yes, all the police departments, the county sheriffs department and the missouri highway patrol and missouri police. bill: one more question, if i could? is it a male?
can we confirm that? >> caller: i can't confirm any of that. bill: you are in emergency mode on campus. what does that mean? >> caller: that means we are trying to make sure that everyone stays safe, if they are on campus and remain locked down in their buildings, and if they are not on campus, that means avoid campus and we're trying to gather information, as best we can, to keep our campus safe. bill: thank you for your time and i know you are up against it, right now but the spokesperson down there at the university of missouri, sir, thank you, again, we are working for more information on that and when we get it, we'll pass it to you at home, 27 minutes after the hour and, hopefully it will be a-o.k. as it turns out. heather: good news, there are no classes scheduled at this time. we'll keep posted. newt gingrich, could he grab the nomination? how he feels about president obama, coming up next. >> his basic background is far to the left and his world view
showed up at the compound to tour the scene, locals became increasingly hostile. david lee miller, streaming live from the capitol city of tripoli, good morning david. how is everything going there, are you guys okay? >> reporter: we're fine, but the situation here is becoming increasingly tense. to set the scene, there were five air strikes in tripoli, all by libyan officials took place an moammar cadoofie's compound, three were killed, two they say were libyan journalists and in a short time those funerals are going to take place. we left the compound a short time ago, were able to tour it but what we saw raised more questions than answers. take a look: >> one of the air strikes took place near this children's playground and you can see the crater that was left by one of the explosions in the middle of the night here, the crater, filled with water, and it is filled with debrie -- debris. there are also here today about 100 or so human
shields, demonstrators, people, some of them live on this compound to prevent a nato attack. as we make our way this way, you can see this woman is not going to let us move any further in this direction, they're going to stop our camera, and we will stop here so as not to create an incident. but there appears to be some type of underground bunker there, and we are told that it is not a military facility, but we are not being allowed to take any pictures there. once again, today, the chants in spoat of moammar qaddafi, claiming -- claiming that nato is responsible for killing civilians, not the government. >> many of the people we talked to at the compound said again they will continue to be human shields. they are going to remain there, even if it means the cost of their lives to protect the leader. jenna. >> david lee, let me just
ask you, when you talk to folks around there, obviously, tripoli has been a stronghold for moammar qaddafi. any change in the mood there? i mean, people seem so angry about what's going on. >> reporter: people are becoming increasingly frustrated over a number of things. number one, the nato air strikes, they seem to be becoming more intense and common, number two, we're seeing increasingly long lines for gasoline. when we try to take pictures of people trying to guy gas -- buy gasoline, often we see tempers flaring, in fact at a number of the gas stations we even see security forces in place to protect fights from breaking out. very quickly, jenna, i should also point out the shortage of gasoline is leading to other problems in this country. it's preventing the distribution of food and other supplies. so it has a ripple effect through the entire economy. people here becoming increasingly frustrated. and i can also tell you, more people here in the capitol, also raising their voices, criticizing moammar qaddafi. >> david lee miller, thank
you very much. the mood certainly different in other parts of that country. bill: so he was the speaker of the house, 12 years a. and now nut gingrich makes a 2012 white house run official and he's not wasting any time blasting the white house. here he was last night with sean hannity: >> president obama should be ashamed of himself. the president of the united states, a year and a half before an election, to deliberately use dishonest scare tactics, it de means the united states of america. he said things about paul ryan's budget that were falsehoods and he said things that were deliberately divisive. he said the same thing in el paso on immigration. >> ed gillespie, form rnc chairman and counselor to president george w. bush, how you doing? >> thanks bill, thanks for having me. bill: what do you think nut gingrich's biggest challenge is in this campaign?
>> i think a former legislator like speaker gingrich needs to demonstrate to voters he could be a strong executive, so that's an advantage that governors bring to the table when they're running in a primary for the presidential nomination that a former legislator doesn't bring. so that's one of the things that i think nut gingrich is going to have to address with republican primary voters, is if i were to be elected president i would be a strong chief executive and here's why, because he doesn't have the example of that in his own background. bill: that is what he brings to this race and it kind of parallels with mitt romney a little bit. i'll get to mitt romney in a moment. what gingrich is talking about this week is he'll run a different campaign, he will compete in every state, and you wonder, what does he bring to the other potential candidates or those who are already in the race now? that will challenge them, ed. >> well, i think nut's point is he can appeal to all segments of the republican primary electorate, national
security conservatives, social conservatives, economic conservatives, and he can campaign across different geographic areas of the midwest, the northeast, the southwest, and the south. you know, i think there's a legitimate case that he can make there. the challenge he'll pose for others in the race is you know, he is a constant font of ideas and, you know, issue statements, and i suspect you'll find him setting the pace in a lot of the debates and the discussions going forward, and others will be responding to his proposals throughout this contest. bill: he has a hugely creative mind. now, mitt romney is talking health care in a number of hours in his home state of michigan. how does he approach that issue? knowing that -- >> i think he's -- >> bill: knowing he has hid health care program in the state of massachusetts. >> governor romney is smart in the way that voters may have questions about speaker gingrich in terms of his executive experience,
governor romney has that obviously as a former governor. there are questions about his health care policy and the effect of that in massachusetts and the impact that it's had in the national debate. i think he's very smart to take the issue head on early in primary process. bill: you know what i found, ed, in this usa today piece that came out, he did not even mention his health care program. >> i didn't see the piece but i understand that his speech today is largely about it. so you know, we'll see. i've not seen the speech. looking forward to hearing what is in it. but i do think strategically it's the right place to address this question that republican primary voters have. bill: ed thanks, good to see you all right? ed gillespie out of washington today. >> thank you. >> the united states postal service going broke, and high fuel costs are making things go from bad to worse. with the loss in the past quarter of over $2 billion, breaking the budget, over $5 billion a year in pension costs, they are now
proposing a five day a week delivery. peter doocy in washington, good morning, peter, how long until the post office actually runs out of money? >> >> reporter: september. the postmaster general patrick donahue says in four-months the postal service might run out of cash and actually default on some of their payments to the federal government, and there are many means the usgs has had four straight years of losses, particularly, competition from e-mail and fed-ex and ups. the postoffice lost 8 1/2 billion dollars in 2010, and even though they figured out how to save as much as $1.6 billion this fiscal year, high gas prices might erase all that. experts say now is the time to let others in on the government's letter carrying action. >> there may be someone out there who has a better idea of how to run the mail, how to deliver the business, how to survive in the electronic communications society. so let mem compete. don't let the postal service be the monopolist of the
dying industry. >> and because the postal service is a government agency that does not get a big government appropriation, they're hoping someone sends them help soon. as you mentioned before, they're hoping congress will let mem stop delivering mail on saturdays, susan collins is hoping to pass a bill that helps them manage pension bills and contractors. there's a big hearing on the hill bind me going on now. >> just think, we could have another bailout. peter doocy, thank you very much. bin laden bin laden -- bill: politics not only getting ugly, but they're getting violent. did you see this? >> do you want punched out? >> why? >> sir! why did you -- >> bill: the video, and now both sides of the story, we understand. where did that happen? coming up. >> down in florida, it is day four of the jury selection in the murder crime of casey anthony, but there could be a major hitch in finding a jury. we'll tell you what that is.
bill got some breaking news out of centerville, maryland across the chesapeake bay, a cheart bus carrying elementary school children, this is not what you want to see, it's crashed, it's on its side, it happened around 9:00 a.m. local time which would have been an hour ago, this is white marsh road, route 213, maryland state police confirm a medevac has been requested. there were several injuries. that's the first image we've gotten here. we'll try and work through our sources and try and figure out to what extent the injured are at this point, whether or not they're getting the help they need. that's a sad sight to see, elementary school students, perhaps enroute to the zoo. we're working to confirm that here, wdff. heather. >> thanks bill. in the meantime, it is day four in the jury selection for casey anthony. this is going on right now. the mother, the young mother, of course, charged with the murder of her two-year-old daughter kalee. so let's go back and take a look at what happened to this point. we haven't covered this
lately but expect it to be in the news a lot this summer. in june 2008 casey anthony claims her daughter kalee is missing after she was left with her babysitter but doesn't report it to police. kalee spent six days with her grandmother, when this picture was shot. neighborhoods report casey backing into the parents' driveway and apparently asks a neighbor to borrow a shovel, in mid july casey's mother cindy brings her daughter to the police station to be arrested for stealing her car and stealing money. and late their night, cindy calls the sheriff, for a deputy to arrest casey and says there is a possible missing child. casey says she has not seen her daughter in, get this, 31 days. during that time, pictures surface, and this is pivotal, pictures of her and casey at various parties, seem to go enjoy herself, all the while her daughter is missing. the defense is trying to block the release of those pictures from her upcoming trial. she is arrested for child
neglect, giving false statements and obstructing a criminal investigation. the next day a cadaver dog picks up in the scent a car casey drove, also a hair similar to kalee's is found along with a sus publish owtion stain in that car, the test determines traces of chloroform, a sleep inducing drug, then on december 19th, 2008, police announce this: >> the manner of death, though, is an opinion based on available information, including examination of the body, information from the scene, as well as circumstantial evidence. based on all of this, the manner of death in this case is homicide. the cause of death will be listed as homicide by undetermined means. >> casey is indicted on a number of counts including first degree murder. evidence shows that someone in the anthony home searched on the family computer for phrases like this, neck breaking and household weapons.
let's talk more about this case. right now, serious concerns that a jury might not be able to be in place by the time the trial is supposed to start. here with more on that, former prosecutor arthur idal and criminal defense attorney joey jackson. let's get your thoughts on this case, first of all. >> it's not a slam dunk for the prosecution. >> really? >> there is no physical evidence like -- even in the report, the hair is claching -- matching, there's chloroform, there's liquid that they believe is a fatty tissue that they believe would be a de composing body but there isn't that fact that the prosecutor leads to the jury box and says listen, the fact is beyond all reasonable doubt, she's guilty and deserves the death penalty. >> do you agree with that? >> no, i don't. as a matter of fact, this is a major uphill battle for the defense. major uphill battle. here's why. let's talk about some things. first of owl who as a mother goes without their daughter for 31 days, says nothing about it, then after that, you're questioned, you make
all story about a babysitter that it's found that the babysitter doesn't exist, then as you point out, heather, pictures surface about her, and these pictures show her engaging in parties, she has tattoos, total -- >> is this allowed? >> the pictures are irrelevant. >> will though be allowed? >> here's why i think they will be. >> irrelevant. >> the judge has then all along admitting critical evidence that the defense is trying to keep out but this judge seems to be let's let it out, let a jury evaluate it and they will decide. >> but the purpose of a judge is to follow the law. and the rules of evidence. so therefore, you don't just throw it all out to the jury to see it. you follow the law. you say well, the jury can't -- >> you can't even get there until a jury is seated and they're having problems doing that now, so many exposed to the case have opinions about the case. how do you think the jury is handling it in. >> the judge has been right on point, even with the mowing, he's kept the timeline, he's told them he's going to make decisions, he's made those decisions, he was right in hold thank juror in contempt
of court saying you disobeyed my order, you're out of here. he's doing a good job. >> we're hearing a lot of hardship complaints, people who can't serve because of the economy, are they going to be sequestered for 6-8 weeks. how common is this? >> that's going on all over the country, and judges are especially -- i can tell new the state of new york, where the chief judge says no, everyone has got to serve and you have jurors crying judge, if i serve, i'll lose my apartment. >> i'll lose my house. >> they're not thinking about the case, they're thinking about losing their house and justice is not served. >> we're going to have to leave it there, arthur, also, joey jack jon -- jackson, thanks a lot. >> thanks to you. bill: breaking news out of missouri, want to update you, missouri university of science and technology, here is what we learned from police now, the sergeant, lee roy davis is telling fox news the suspect was being pursued in his car by police, he pulled out a rifle and started shooting. nobody was hit by bullets and no injuries, the suspect was seen running through
campus to get away from police and then seen exiting a building, a building that was empty at the time because the students are now on break. his rifle found under the car and currently the man hunt for him continues in the town of rolla, missouri. he is still at large. ten minutes before the hour. we'll reach back out to the school and see what happens there. back in a moment.
bill: back to the breaking news now, congress at district 26 in upstate new york, this is already a hot race to begin with. now we've got this videotape this, is the independent candidate by the name of jack davis. we're going to piece all this together for you, we'll give you the facts as we understand them now but this is what people are talking about. roll it and we'll explain: >> jack, why did you back out of the debate? >> you want punched out? >> why? why did you -- >> sir!
sir! why did you back out of the debate? why did you back out of the debate? why did you back out of the debate? >> bill: so the gray-haired gentleman is davis, the candidate, running as an independent in that district we do not know who is behind the camera. we're still wait to go confirm that. we're also still trying to talk to that person behind the camera. we also saw what looked like maybe a staff member or a volunteer, somebody with the davis camp, come in screen left that you'll see after the initial altercation there. now, davis' team is telling us that he never touched the volunteer and said instead, pushing the camera, quote, out of his face. at one point, you hear davis saying you want to punch it out? now, what we also understand is there is another camera on scene at the time, that we have not had access to, but it shows a similar scene, apparently, in that congressional district. the town of greece, new york. so what is this all about?
and it's something that's elusive at the moment but it got our attention. >> part of the reason we're talking about, this is an interesting race folks have been following, the district was held by lee, a guy who had his picture posted on craition list, married republican congressman, looking for a date, had to step down as a result, no now all of this tousle related to campaigning for that congressional seat. bill weech reached to davis' team. we'll try and track down these two photographers in the middle of something they probably did not anticipate. nonetheless they have it now on videotape. >> another story to tell you about now, a frantic scene as an out of control school bus careens into a house. san diego police say that the bus driver was pulling into an elementary school when he lost control, hitting a pargd car, swerving down an embankment and slamming into a van before finally plow going a home's garage.
one woman said she narrowly avoided getting hit. >> if i had gotten in the car a few seconds earlier,thy son would have gotten in, buckled himself and i would have been on the other side buckling the car and would have gotten hit. >> fortunately no children or on the bus at the time, the bus driver suffering minor injuries. >> and the incident in maryland, we're hoping the best for those kids, too. shocking new information, what? usama bin laden's diary? his wish list of terror targets here in the u.s. and you might be surprised about what a few of what they are.
bill quickly, we just want to let you know the results of the poll, the jobs number came out, 430,000 americans filing for unemployment claims last week alone. what do you think, how long before the job market goes back to normal, 70 percent say it will take more than five years, at least. vote now, fox news.dom/"america's newsroom", the lines are open for you. great to have you with us. >> thank you very much. bill: see new the hallway! >> right on. bill: "ha